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		<title>By: R.G. Frano, A-EMT-4-P, (Ret.)</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.G. Frano, A-EMT-4-P, (Ret.)</dc:creator>
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		<description>I have a slightly different take on 911-Truthers, The Atrocity being an &#039;inside job&#039;, etc...

On 14.07.01, my then-employer downsized me. 
Obviously, how I felt about this downsizing couldn&#039;t be printed here as there aren&#039;t words that reach the necesscery depths, linguistically, as Noam Chompsky might say...
On Sept.11th., 2001, (roughly 6 weeks later), I was sending resumes &amp; watching the news like the &#039;news-equivelent of a crack whore&#039;, that I am, and...
I watched, in &#039;real time&#039; as the 2nd. plane impacted a few stories above MY former employer&#039;s office.
Again...words fail me, so a little spincter-tightening will have to suffice...!

I notice that no one, claiming to allegedly fight these terroristas, seems to have gone to the leftover criminals from the Ronald, &#039;Bin Ladin the freedon fighter&#039; Reagan administration, like Olli North, (a former editorial contributor to &#039;wnd.com&#039;), to see if the weapons stolen during &quot;Iran-Contra&quot; might have been diverted from Iran to...?
Conspiracy theory, indeed!
As for the 911-truthers, I have been the paramedic of record at building demolitions, and NONE of the ones I&#039;ve been at, (or seen on the discovery channel!), bare more then a slight passing visual resemblence to what happened to the late, great 1 &amp; 2 W.T.C.!
As for Bush and co. &#039;allowing&#039; this atrocity by intent/indifference, I go for &#039;indifference&#039;; &#039;intent&#039; gives Bush &amp; co. far more credit they they&#039;re worthy of!
I will note, however, that it would seem beyond the realm of magickal thinking to suggest:
1.) All the so-called security camara footage in lower Manhattan was, somehow, &#039;placed&#039;, the night before, so as to account for multiple broadcasts, from multiple vantage points...of &#039;airplanes hitting buildings&#039;!
2.) I suppose all the people IN lower Manhattan were approached by the thought police and
&#039;instructed&#039; to say the right things to the media? NO? 
Maybe they were brain wiped, like a certain Star Trek (original series) episode?
3.) And of course, the airlines &amp; their insurance companies complied: Putting the airline crews &amp; their families, friends, reletives on a private island someplace, so that they wouldn&#039;t incoveniently pop up like malfunctioning &#039;Stepford&#039; wives;
And what&#039;s a few billions in fruadulent insurance claims, STILL being fought over in the courts as I type? 
Yeah!
Like the laser reflectors on the moon, (refuting the claim we didn&#039;t send N.Armstrong &amp; Buzz Aldrin), and Bishop Ric Williamson&#039;s, &quot;Hitlar got bad press&quot;, NAZI-Apoligia...
 &#039;someone&#039; must have convinced, by buy-off or threat, ALL of these people &amp; organizations and indifferent physical objects!
...It just couldn&#039;t have been a simple group of people with too much heaven on their minds...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a slightly different take on 911-Truthers, The Atrocity being an &#8216;inside job&#8217;, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>On 14.07.01, my then-employer downsized me.<br />
Obviously, how I felt about this downsizing couldn&#8217;t be printed here as there aren&#8217;t words that reach the necesscery depths, linguistically, as Noam Chompsky might say&#8230;<br />
On Sept.11th., 2001, (roughly 6 weeks later), I was sending resumes &amp; watching the news like the &#8216;news-equivelent of a crack whore&#8217;, that I am, and&#8230;<br />
I watched, in &#8216;real time&#8217; as the 2nd. plane impacted a few stories above MY former employer&#8217;s office.<br />
Again&#8230;words fail me, so a little spincter-tightening will have to suffice&#8230;!</p>
<p>I notice that no one, claiming to allegedly fight these terroristas, seems to have gone to the leftover criminals from the Ronald, &#8216;Bin Ladin the freedon fighter&#8217; Reagan administration, like Olli North, (a former editorial contributor to &#8216;wnd.com&#8217;), to see if the weapons stolen during &#8220;Iran-Contra&#8221; might have been diverted from Iran to&#8230;?<br />
Conspiracy theory, indeed!<br />
As for the 911-truthers, I have been the paramedic of record at building demolitions, and NONE of the ones I&#8217;ve been at, (or seen on the discovery channel!), bare more then a slight passing visual resemblence to what happened to the late, great 1 &amp; 2 W.T.C.!<br />
As for Bush and co. &#8216;allowing&#8217; this atrocity by intent/indifference, I go for &#8216;indifference&#8217;; &#8216;intent&#8217; gives Bush &amp; co. far more credit they they&#8217;re worthy of!<br />
I will note, however, that it would seem beyond the realm of magickal thinking to suggest:<br />
1.) All the so-called security camara footage in lower Manhattan was, somehow, &#8216;placed&#8217;, the night before, so as to account for multiple broadcasts, from multiple vantage points&#8230;of &#8216;airplanes hitting buildings&#8217;!<br />
2.) I suppose all the people IN lower Manhattan were approached by the thought police and<br />
&#8216;instructed&#8217; to say the right things to the media? NO?<br />
Maybe they were brain wiped, like a certain Star Trek (original series) episode?<br />
3.) And of course, the airlines &amp; their insurance companies complied: Putting the airline crews &amp; their families, friends, reletives on a private island someplace, so that they wouldn&#8217;t incoveniently pop up like malfunctioning &#8216;Stepford&#8217; wives;<br />
And what&#8217;s a few billions in fruadulent insurance claims, STILL being fought over in the courts as I type?<br />
Yeah!<br />
Like the laser reflectors on the moon, (refuting the claim we didn&#8217;t send N.Armstrong &amp; Buzz Aldrin), and Bishop Ric Williamson&#8217;s, &#8220;Hitlar got bad press&#8221;, NAZI-Apoligia&#8230;<br />
 &#8216;someone&#8217; must have convinced, by buy-off or threat, ALL of these people &amp; organizations and indifferent physical objects!<br />
&#8230;It just couldn&#8217;t have been a simple group of people with too much heaven on their minds&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald R Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://heathensguide.com/09/13/birthers-truthers-and-aliens-a-conspiracy-of-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-226</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald R Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see, &quot;truthers&quot;,My take... I think i&#039;m one of those because after being in the military and having been privy to some pretty shady doings by our government because they always seem to call on the military to guard their fun and I&#039;ve been on guard duty to a few questionable goings on myself.. So, I think it is very possible that Chaney(not necessarily Bush) may have the cajones to put together just such an exercise  and fool the hell out of the public. After all you have all been aware of the following that Bush has and the fanaticism that goes on with them,the core supporters, those born ag&#039;in folk.  Couple that with the very close ties the Bush family has with Saudi Royalty, they hold hands and kiss for crying out loud!!!! Then 17 of the hijackers were Saudi.... 
Next, Obama was not born in America..My take....bullshit!!  
next... Aliens or a cabal of aliens are controlling our government? My take.....honestly, I&#039;ve not heard of this one but I do know that various governments are in contact (or they feel they are) with aliens. India announced it&#039;s ET connection 5 years ago.  But controlling any government, why should they they are observers like any good scientist.  I honestly believe there is life in other solar systems on other planets and we have been visited by those who have obviously found a way to either circumvent the laws of physics &quot;as we know them&quot; or they have engineered FTL..(faster than light) technology. 
 With a universe so vast and even people on Earth think we have gods and at the same time try to ridicule those of us who understand that we are not alone and it&#039;s not a magician.
 The Moon landings...My take...First of all there were 6 moon landings in all and some even had it&#039;s own personal vehicle to get around in....I think anyone who believes NASA was so smart yet stupid that they pulled off a hoax that had to include 10,000 or more conspirators...that is just stupid...6 times??? hahahahaha that one always makes me laugh.... :shock:  :mrgreen:  :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see, &#8220;truthers&#8221;,My take&#8230; I think i&#8217;m one of those because after being in the military and having been privy to some pretty shady doings by our government because they always seem to call on the military to guard their fun and I&#8217;ve been on guard duty to a few questionable goings on myself.. So, I think it is very possible that Chaney(not necessarily Bush) may have the cajones to put together just such an exercise  and fool the hell out of the public. After all you have all been aware of the following that Bush has and the fanaticism that goes on with them,the core supporters, those born ag&#8217;in folk.  Couple that with the very close ties the Bush family has with Saudi Royalty, they hold hands and kiss for crying out loud!!!! Then 17 of the hijackers were Saudi&#8230;.<br />
Next, Obama was not born in America..My take&#8230;.bullshit!!<br />
next&#8230; Aliens or a cabal of aliens are controlling our government? My take&#8230;..honestly, I&#8217;ve not heard of this one but I do know that various governments are in contact (or they feel they are) with aliens. India announced it&#8217;s ET connection 5 years ago.  But controlling any government, why should they they are observers like any good scientist.  I honestly believe there is life in other solar systems on other planets and we have been visited by those who have obviously found a way to either circumvent the laws of physics &#8220;as we know them&#8221; or they have engineered FTL..(faster than light) technology.<br />
 With a universe so vast and even people on Earth think we have gods and at the same time try to ridicule those of us who understand that we are not alone and it&#8217;s not a magician.<br />
 The Moon landings&#8230;My take&#8230;First of all there were 6 moon landings in all and some even had it&#8217;s own personal vehicle to get around in&#8230;.I think anyone who believes NASA was so smart yet stupid that they pulled off a hoax that had to include 10,000 or more conspirators&#8230;that is just stupid&#8230;6 times??? hahahahaha that one always makes me laugh&#8230;. <img src='http://heathensguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif' alt=':shock:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://heathensguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://heathensguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gerald R Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald R Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see, &quot;truthers&quot;,My take... I think i&#039;m one of those because after being in the military and having been privy to some pretty shady doings by our government because they always seem to call on the military to guard their fun and I&#039;ve been on guard duty to a few questionable goings on myself.. So, I think it is very possible that Chaney(not necessarily Bush) may have the cajones to put together just such an exercise  and fool the hell out of the public. After all you have all been aware of the following that Bush has and the fanaticism that goes on with them,the core supporters, those born ag&#039;in folk.  Couple that with the very close ties the Bush family has with Saudi Royalty, they hold hands and kiss for crying out loud!!!! Then 17 of the hijackers were Saudi.... 
Next, Obama was not born in America..My take....bullshit!!  
next...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see, &#8220;truthers&#8221;,My take&#8230; I think i&#8217;m one of those because after being in the military and having been privy to some pretty shady doings by our government because they always seem to call on the military to guard their fun and I&#8217;ve been on guard duty to a few questionable goings on myself.. So, I think it is very possible that Chaney(not necessarily Bush) may have the cajones to put together just such an exercise  and fool the hell out of the public. After all you have all been aware of the following that Bush has and the fanaticism that goes on with them,the core supporters, those born ag&#8217;in folk.  Couple that with the very close ties the Bush family has with Saudi Royalty, they hold hands and kiss for crying out loud!!!! Then 17 of the hijackers were Saudi&#8230;.<br />
Next, Obama was not born in America..My take&#8230;.bullshit!!<br />
next&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: phil kyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil kyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can only try Bill. Some people are just beyond it. Tiny minds in this vastly awesome multiverse,  no wonder they&#039;re controlled by fear, strangely though, at the same time argue their faith. It&#039;s still surprises me to see non-heretics in this day and age. Makes you wonder how she can use or believe in a computer. Keep up the good fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can only try Bill. Some people are just beyond it. Tiny minds in this vastly awesome multiverse,  no wonder they&#8217;re controlled by fear, strangely though, at the same time argue their faith. It&#8217;s still surprises me to see non-heretics in this day and age. Makes you wonder how she can use or believe in a computer. Keep up the good fight.</p>
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		<title>By: heathensguide</title>
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		<dc:creator>heathensguide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People like Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Castro were all leftists and didn’t care about people’s civil liberties or even their lives. They killed millions. Leftists certainly believe in “might makes right”. A world of “might makes right” is the natural result of a world without God, as Christians define Him.
&lt;strong&gt;
They were Left Wing… they were not liberals.  Leftist believe in taking care of society as a whole with common food, universal health care, libraries.. that sort of thing. Right Wing believe in an every-man-for-themselves philosophy.
Liberals (who are often left wing) believe that the right to liberty and freedom is sacred so long as this freedom doesn’t impede on another’s freedom. (“Your right to swing your fist stops at my nose”).  Conservatives (who are often right wing) believe that civil rights are important, but must fall within a moral and ethical code. &lt;/strong&gt;

Conservatives are always fighting for the rights of the weak and innocent.

&lt;strong&gt;You’re kidding, right?&lt;/strong&gt;

For instance, we think it’s evil to cut a fetus into bits,

&lt;strong&gt;Wow, you’re not kidding.&lt;/strong&gt;

While liberals talk a lot about rights but won’t give them to the weakest amongst us. .
&lt;strong&gt;
There are many anti-abortion left wingers in the world.  Conservatives just lay claim to the issue like they own it.  The argument really boils down to when you think life begins, and there are rational arguments o n both sides. There are also very irrational arguments on both sides.  Unfortunately that’s what we usually hear.&lt;/strong&gt;


But the people listed above WERE certainly evil. The people who plotted 911 were evil.

&lt;strong&gt;No, they weren’t. They were a bunch of idiots who figured out how to fly planes into buildings.  Period.  You’re making them into “more than human” by saying they’re “evil incarnate”.  They were just lucky idiots.  The more the West exults their “evil” the longer the recruiting lines get at Al Qaida.  &lt;/strong&gt;

I’m sure family members of those killed on 911 believe there is an ultimate good or evil. I’m also sure they’d be insulted by your blog entry respective to that day that “shit happens.”

&lt;strong&gt;At the start of WWII the London Blitz killed a hell of a lot more than 9/11 did.  The English shrugged it off and went about the war.  Why?  Because shit happens.  Sometimes very, very bad shit.  But as a nation you do not get paralyzed by it.  Morn if you can, but as a nation you need to get strong and move on.  &lt;/strong&gt;

Quote: (Re: teen sex) Not to educate them on this is setting them up for huge mistakes.

But your type of education DOESN’T prevent these mistakes, neither in children nor in adults for that matter. That was my point: the message doesn’t take.

&lt;strong&gt;About 4 million condoms are purchased per year in the USA (not including free ones… just purchases at drug stores basically).  They go somewhere, and are doing something.  When I was a kid you couldn’t find a condom to save your life.  So yeah… the message has made it out there.  Condoms are being used.  Either that or there’s a lot of funny-looking balloons across the USA.&lt;/strong&gt;

Children need to be taught properly about the role of sex and be told to abstain until they are married.

&lt;strong&gt;Tell them all you want.  It has never worked and will never work. A few… less than 10%, might “heed the warning”.  The vast majority do not.  Besides, there is the fundamental issue here that I simply do not buy your contention that sex outside of marriage is “bad” and must be eliminated from our society.  If a teenager is having sex and they are responsible about it and not having kids, I see no reason to stop them from doing so.  [Culturally, btw, the Virgin Mary would have been a young teenager when she married Joseph.]&lt;/strong&gt;

The biggest reductions in AIDS in Africa have occurred in Uganda, when the government began to support abstinence programs. (In hot temperatures especially, such as in Africa, condoms have a higher failure rate than their usually high mechanical failure rate, not to mention their usage failure rate.)

&lt;strong&gt;Nice try:
&lt;em&gt;The approach used in Uganda has been named the ABC approach - firstly, encouraging sexual Abstinence until marriage; secondly, advising those who are sexually active to Be faithful to one partner; and finally, urging Condom use, especially for those who have more than one sexual partner.&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.avert.org/aidsuganda.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“The [HIV/AIDS] program in Uganda promoted the ABC approach - abstain, be faithful, use condoms. ”
&lt;/a&gt;
I hope you wake from your moral slumber.
&lt;strong&gt;
And I have always hoped that one day you might see the world as it is, not through the Catholic blinders.  In the end, though, the best we can do is negotiate a median where everyone can get along, regardless of how right we think we are.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People like Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Castro were all leftists and didn’t care about people’s civil liberties or even their lives. They killed millions. Leftists certainly believe in “might makes right”. A world of “might makes right” is the natural result of a world without God, as Christians define Him.<br />
<strong><br />
They were Left Wing… they were not liberals.  Leftist believe in taking care of society as a whole with common food, universal health care, libraries.. that sort of thing. Right Wing believe in an every-man-for-themselves philosophy.<br />
Liberals (who are often left wing) believe that the right to liberty and freedom is sacred so long as this freedom doesn’t impede on another’s freedom. (“Your right to swing your fist stops at my nose”).  Conservatives (who are often right wing) believe that civil rights are important, but must fall within a moral and ethical code. </strong></p>
<p>Conservatives are always fighting for the rights of the weak and innocent.</p>
<p><strong>You’re kidding, right?</strong></p>
<p>For instance, we think it’s evil to cut a fetus into bits,</p>
<p><strong>Wow, you’re not kidding.</strong></p>
<p>While liberals talk a lot about rights but won’t give them to the weakest amongst us. .<br />
<strong><br />
There are many anti-abortion left wingers in the world.  Conservatives just lay claim to the issue like they own it.  The argument really boils down to when you think life begins, and there are rational arguments o n both sides. There are also very irrational arguments on both sides.  Unfortunately that’s what we usually hear.</strong></p>
<p>But the people listed above WERE certainly evil. The people who plotted 911 were evil.</p>
<p><strong>No, they weren’t. They were a bunch of idiots who figured out how to fly planes into buildings.  Period.  You’re making them into “more than human” by saying they’re “evil incarnate”.  They were just lucky idiots.  The more the West exults their “evil” the longer the recruiting lines get at Al Qaida.  </strong></p>
<p>I’m sure family members of those killed on 911 believe there is an ultimate good or evil. I’m also sure they’d be insulted by your blog entry respective to that day that “shit happens.”</p>
<p><strong>At the start of WWII the London Blitz killed a hell of a lot more than 9/11 did.  The English shrugged it off and went about the war.  Why?  Because shit happens.  Sometimes very, very bad shit.  But as a nation you do not get paralyzed by it.  Morn if you can, but as a nation you need to get strong and move on.  </strong></p>
<p>Quote: (Re: teen sex) Not to educate them on this is setting them up for huge mistakes.</p>
<p>But your type of education DOESN’T prevent these mistakes, neither in children nor in adults for that matter. That was my point: the message doesn’t take.</p>
<p><strong>About 4 million condoms are purchased per year in the USA (not including free ones… just purchases at drug stores basically).  They go somewhere, and are doing something.  When I was a kid you couldn’t find a condom to save your life.  So yeah… the message has made it out there.  Condoms are being used.  Either that or there’s a lot of funny-looking balloons across the USA.</strong></p>
<p>Children need to be taught properly about the role of sex and be told to abstain until they are married.</p>
<p><strong>Tell them all you want.  It has never worked and will never work. A few… less than 10%, might “heed the warning”.  The vast majority do not.  Besides, there is the fundamental issue here that I simply do not buy your contention that sex outside of marriage is “bad” and must be eliminated from our society.  If a teenager is having sex and they are responsible about it and not having kids, I see no reason to stop them from doing so.  [Culturally, btw, the Virgin Mary would have been a young teenager when she married Joseph.]</strong></p>
<p>The biggest reductions in AIDS in Africa have occurred in Uganda, when the government began to support abstinence programs. (In hot temperatures especially, such as in Africa, condoms have a higher failure rate than their usually high mechanical failure rate, not to mention their usage failure rate.)</p>
<p><strong>Nice try:<br />
<em>The approach used in Uganda has been named the ABC approach &#8211; firstly, encouraging sexual Abstinence until marriage; secondly, advising those who are sexually active to Be faithful to one partner; and finally, urging Condom use, especially for those who have more than one sexual partner.</em><br />
</strong> <a href="http://www.avert.org/aidsuganda.htm" rel="nofollow">“The [HIV/AIDS] program in Uganda promoted the ABC approach &#8211; abstain, be faithful, use condoms. ”<br />
</a><br />
I hope you wake from your moral slumber.<br />
<strong><br />
And I have always hoped that one day you might see the world as it is, not through the Catholic blinders.  In the end, though, the best we can do is negotiate a median where everyone can get along, regardless of how right we think we are.</strong></p>
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